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Defoe For Bellamy - In Your Dreams 'Arry!

Now I know it is international week and all and the hacks have to focus on something to meet their quotas but this story really is beginning to grow old.

According to many of the usual suspects, used car salesman 'Arry Redknapp is trying to wheel and deal his squad away in an attempt to deflect blame away from his aesthetically pleasing but predictable managerial style of 'Attack!'

Last season he tried to sign Craig Bellamy from West Ham but lost out to the deep pockets of Abu Dhabi's Man City owners and this year he has shown no signs of letting up in his pursuit of the pocket dynamo.

Now, according to the red tops, 'Ol' Nick Nack Paddy Wack' has been lurking in the shadows waiting for his moment to pounce and offer the Blues something they actually might deem worth having from White Hart Lane in Jermaine Defoe.

The story goes that he is willing to offer Defoe in part exchange for the flying Welshman and believes now is the time to pour oil on the fire that has risen after the training ground bust-ups between new boss Roberto Mancini and the Welshman.

So lets just consider that this story has an inkling of truth in it. Besides the fact that he's already bought and sold Defoe quite a few times, just why would Ol' Del Boy go to all that trouble bringing Defoe back just to swap him for a thirty year old dodgy-kneed trouble maker even if the Welshman is the better man on his day?

Defoe is explosive, quick and a good finisher as his tally of 16 this year goes to prove, yet he is still not a crowd favourite with the Spurs faithful.

Spurs fans have complained at Defoe's one-dimensional game, lack of strength and stamina as well as his selfishness in front of goal. He is also not a big game player which could probably be the real reason for this rumour.

Bellamy may well have a reputation for being a 'Big Time Charlie' with the ability to start a fight in an empty room, according to Sir Bobby, but he still remains a fans favourite at every club he goes to.

Like it or not he is a leader, with a warrior heart and has proven he can play up front or on either side of a front three equally as well.

The real root of the mater might come down to who is the big game player and who can take the team to the next level?

Bellamy has this season alone scored multiple goals against each of United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool proving himself indispensable to the Blues top four challenge.

He has already fought off competition from Robinho, Petrov, Weiss, Bojinov and Shaun Wright Phillips to be the first name on the team sheet along with Tevez.

So maybe Redknapp sees him as a short term solution after seeing the younger England striker flatter to deceive with a third of his goals coming against Wigan Athletic this season.

On the other hand, maybe there is a more sinister plot line to this persistent rumour. After all, Bellamy has humiliated his nephew's Chelsea side on two occasions already this year and given the proverbial finger to Frankie's best mate the Chav King that is Mr Chelsea himself.

Could it be that Ol' Arry is thinking of buying another forward and leaving him on the bench until he has to loan him out? Do City fans really care and more importantly would any Blue swap Bellamy for Defoe anyway? Probably not.

Its more likely that the Spurs boss is looking for battle hardened yeomen in his attempt to toughen the obvious soft belly that Spurs have and Bellamy, love him or loathe him, is exactly the sort of player you want with you in the trenches.

With the resources on offer to City and with Tevez, Santa Cruz and Adebayor already at the club, do City really need Defoe?

You would think that it would be more likely 'The Citizens' would be interested in a world class finisher and all round footballer a la Torres, Villa or Fabiano to compliment our existing strike force.

You could argue that they don't even play in the same position as Bellamy has played wide right or left since his move to City and from that position is quite prolific in scoring 8 and providing 11 assists to Defoe's 16 and 2 as a striker.

One things for sure, City fans wouldn't swap Bellamy for ten Robinhos or five Petrovs, so why would they even think about swapping him for one measly Jermaine Defoe.

After all, if Bellamy was English I know who I'd rather have giving his all at the world cup this summer and he doesn't wear a diamond earring the size of walnut.

No he's the Welsh dragon with a chip on his shoulder the size of John Terry's black book and City fans love him all the same.




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Date:Thursday March 4 2010

Time: 12:00PM

Your Comments

"yet he is still not a crowd favourite with the Spurs faithful." Harry has blocked up your ears so you cannot hear the "Defoe is a yiddo" chants. 'Arry Out! P.S. 3-0
refereesfavourbig4
is this artical for real??????? are you morons serious, that spurs would consider to swap defoe, one of the top strikers in england for bellamy!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF, you couldnt have defoe if you offered bellamy and 20mil ! what a joke of an article!!!!!
lillywhites101
" the soft underbelly spurs have" what a ***** the author of this comedy article is!!! we smashed you this season and should of won 5 or 6 nil instead of only 3-0.....and we regularly beat you at your rented ground!!!!......deary, deary me! lol.....and you wonder why you have the rep. as the comedy club of england! lol
lillywhites101
I am not a Defoe lover by any stretch as those at Vital Spurs will tell you. I do think though that he is a crowd favourite unfortunately. He is loved by many the Spurs fans. Would I swap Defoe for Bellamy? Now, if Bellamy was 3 years younger and less injury prone the answer would be "yes in a heartbeat". At current state of play I wouldn't but I would welcome Bellamy with open arms as a straight signing as he would be a certain starter when fit. Defoe is a very good impact player. Harry, I am afraid, would NEVER swap Defoe for Bellamy so I think the only real truth in the rumour is that Harry wants to sign him and is trying to take advantage of his recent bust up with Mancini.
The Tailor
I do have to add that your comment about "soft underbelly" is laughable coming from a City fan.
The Tailor
Ridiculous
BlueWolfie
SWAP WITH CROUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spur1950
Coming from a City fan? You mean the hardest to beat team in the Premier League? Fact. We had a really really off day at your place... you played well but we were utter bobbins. Hopefully we can give you a game at our place. As for some of the other comments... the article is commentating on newspaper speculation of a part exchange and saying it won't happen... isn't that what you think? So this 'joke' of article as you call it agrees with what you say... so you must be a joke too. As for the actual story. Defoe is a decent finisher but not the player we need at all.
MCFC_Goatboy
thats right goatboy because santa claus, adebayor, tevez, bellamy all have more goals than Defoe dont they!!!!! city could never use a player like defoe!!!! lol
lillywhites101
OH AND BY THE WAY DEFOE IS A BIG BIG CROWD FAVORITE BUT NOT WITH A LOT OF NUMPTYS ON WEB SITES WHO DONT SEEM TO WATCH LIVE FOOTBALL AND ONLY LEARN ABOUT IT ON THE WEB!!!!! THEREFORE THAT WHERE THEY GET THIS DEFOE DOES NOT WORK HARD ENOUGH PAV DOESNT WORK HARD ENOUGH WHAT CRAP HOW MANY GOALS HAVE THEY BOTH GOT !! JIMMY GREAVES NEAVER RUN BACK MUCH[PROBABLY TO GET A FAG]
spur1950
hahahahahahahaha. i think this is just media stiring to hype up out fourthcoming fixture which is next on the prem calender (who wud av thought it) but seriously arry loves defoe way too much and a swap is out of the question.
black-messi
spur1950 - no need to shout. You seem to be arguing with yourself there with your rant about Defoe, Pav and Greavsie. Calm down mate, you'll give yourself a hernia.
Bluedub
@lily.... are you retarded? Where did I say he doesn't score goals? I said 'not the player we need'... is Defoe really good at playing on his own up front and bringing other players into the game? Before you chime in with another stupid comment that's rhetorical.. the answer is no. That's what we need. As for the goals.. defoe 22 in 33... tevez 21 in 31... about the same. Tevez though is a great all round footballer... he's 10 times the player defoe could ever hope to be.
MCFC_Goatboy
goatboy i think your the retarded one mate, all thos oil fumes around eastlands are going to your head....tevez has a good engine, and no doubt going through a purple patch in terms of scoring goals, but throughout his career he has hardly been prolific, 2 yrs at your neighbors produced 15 prem goals....whether he can keep scoring for you as he has been remains to be seen....anyways, roll on the game at eastlands where we collect our usual 3 points, i love playing you lot nearly as much as west ham!
lillywhites101
Pointless article, not a spurs favourite? you are clueless the fans cheered him when he came to Spurs playing for Portsmouth. Defoe is a much better player than Bellamy just compare their premier league scoring records. COYS
superlukamodric
@lily... I'm pretty sure it's you... you keep banging on about goals and twice I've told you we need someone to hold up the ball and bring players into the game. Not once have I said Defore is not a good goalscorer. Not once have I said Defore is a bad player... apart from saying Tevez is better. Try to read what others write instead of just spouting the first bit of crap that springs to your feeble mind. It's like talking to a brick wall.
MCFC_Goatboy
Dont flatter yourselves too much now,you are starting to act like real madrid..Why would we swop Defoe for Bellamy...Its best you guys deal with the problem child and not us..Bellamy is a great player and if he wanted to come to the Lane which he probably will as he wants Champs league then so be it but not at Defoes expense
Daz Hotspurs
I am going to be honest. Tevez and Bellamy are both better all-round players than Defoe - no question. I think Pavluchenko is World class though and if either Bellamy or Tevez partnered him we'd have one hell of a strike force. The bottom line is whoever finishes 4th will have bragging rights so we can all bang on about 3 points this, better player, my dad can have your dad blah blah blah. 4th is what its all about and right now that is game on between 4 teams.
The Tailor
Defoe wouldn't get into our team that's the main difference really. Good player but too one dimensional. Bellamy on the otherhand...
lando78
goatboy you silly fool......you can waffle on all day about strikers linking play, holding the ball up, blah blah blah.....but their bread and butter is putting it in the back of the net....defoe is better at that than any player at MCFC and that why i would not swap him with bellamy or any other of your strikers....when it comes to holding up play, linking play, cutting open defences and putting it on a plate for the likes of defoe, we have players like modric, krancjar, and lennon, there is more creativity in those 3 than in the whole city team, so keep waffling on about tevez while i keep laughing at you!
lillywhites101
Bellamy will be sold in the next tranfer window as The wealth of city will opt for an expensive striker who does not fall out with the coach..
Daz Hotspurs
Im starting to hate man city as much as the gooners now, GOATBOY you are obviously under some kind of illusion, how can we agree with the article when clearly it is wrong, defoe is a crowd favourite for certain most of us at spurs love him with the exception of cockeril but the first four letters of his name says it all, why would we want bellamy? i agree that im sure ledley king gets a bit lonely in the knee specialists department but im sure he would rather that than talk to bellamy, the only player we will sign from city will be petrov on a free in the summer which i like the idea of, and as for writing that you want the likes of torres or villa or fabiano in the article just goes to show you fans really are in dreamland, a tired and old viera a crap player like adebayor and 24m for lescott is about as good as you can expect, i mean apart from money what does your club have to offer? empty trophy cabinet no tradition except a few players a rubbish squad and stupid supporters who think your some kind of top club now that sum arab has bought you. COYS
spursman79
And us at spurs are called fickle LMAO
spursman79
spursman - once again a spuds fan fails at basic comprehension - I said the article says the swap won't happen - spuds think the swap won't happen. As for wanting the likes of Torres / Fabiano... would you not want these players at your club? You seem to miss the basics of transfers... you try for the best you can get and then if that doesn't work get the next best. Nobody said they will sign. The article says surely the owners would be 'interested'... of course they'd be interested. As for 'crap' Adebayor he'd walk into your mickey mouse team. You go on about the money we've spent and you've spent well over 200 million in the last few years.. just like us. As for your no tradition / no trophies jibes.... City have and always will have better support than your joke of a club.. and a longer history... so what we've not one f all in 30 years... am I supposed to go and support the rags or something because they've won more? I'm not a glory hunter mate... I support my team through thick and thin. You are right though that the only player you have a chance of signing is Petrov on a free... none of the others would be willing to take the step down.
MCFC_Goatboy
Goatboy. I am an objective Spurs fan as you can probably see from my posts. However, when you write stuff like "City have and always will have better support than your joke of a club... and a longer history" you really are asking for it. First of all if you only pay 20 for a ticket getting 35k-40k supporters is easy and given the renewed optimism around you guys its expected. At Spurs the average ticket price is about 65 so the fact we sell out every week is impressive. We will still sell out when we have 55k stadium and higher prices. The longer history bit is so ridculous I shouldn't even humour you in replying but I will. The mere suggestion that because you are 2 years older than Spurs (founded 1880 vs 1882) you think you can justify your "play on words" of a comment. When a football fan talks history it's about trophies, players and style - of which City have none compared to Spurs. Even more appealing is recent history (last 30 years or so) and you really are struggling with your last trophy being the 1976 league cup. Come on, get serious and real with your comments.
The Tailor
my basic comprehension is bad??? where have i stated the only player we have a chance of signing is petrov on a free? i said the only player we will sign imo is petrov on a free, kinda different to how you put it don't you think? maybe your basic comprehension is lacking somewhat, as for adebayor i dont think so some how, Pav is 5 times the player adebayor is and defoe is much much more prolific i would even say keane is more consistant than adebayor and that is saying something, instead of trying to be the big educated football fan on the forum maybe you should stop having a pop at people for expressing there opinions when clearly this article was written to ruffle the feathers of spurs fans, why waste your time on torres, villa etc when i can speak for them.............. NO CHANCE!! spurs a step down to man city? lmao at least we win silverware which is more than can be said of your club, F.A Cup this year has our name on it AGAIN. COYS
spursman79
For the record we have hardly set the world on fire in the last 30 odd years but since 1980 we have won 3 FAC's, 1 UEFA Cup, 2 League Cups. You would give your right arm to win that number of trophies in a 30 year spell that has seen you win precisely NOTHING.
The Tailor
Well said tailor, and at least we still have a chance at MORE silverware this season, wembley is our second home and i believe we will win F.A cup AGAIN this year.
spursman79
Tailor - it wasn't me that started with the jibes about clubs - I was just responding to jibes about my own... unfounded ones. You also are a clueless retard who should have been put down at birth. City have no history? No trophies, players or style? You tell me to get serious and real? According to you the amount of support a club has is judged by ticket prices... a club has no history unless it is a winning history... you've dismissed all the greats who've played for us by saying we've had no players... you've dismissed the league titles, cups we've won by saying we've won none... City have no style? You're telling me to get real? Really? You're the 'objective' Spurs fan?
MCFC_Goatboy
Sorry for calling you all names... I'm off out now. Have fun without me :)
MCFC_Goatboy
i thought i logged onto vital spuds for a minute then....defoe for bellers ? -save your dreaming for bed arry you second hand car salesman who is also a tax dodger.
bluemooner_mcfc
"You also are a clueless retard who should have been put down at birth". is that basic comprehension? what a delusional fool.
spursman79
Defoe isnt good enough for city. Or utd, arsenal, liverpool or chelsea. Or any other big team world wide. None of the elite clubs have ever bid for him. That tells it own story... Bellamy is older, injury prone and has temper tantrums. But his contribution to team play is imense, hes a talisman, a leader, a warrior. Bellamy shines and scores against the big teams, defoe has a better score rate - but against wigan, hull, burnley etc. Ask Wenger, fergie, anchelotti who would have - bellamy or defoe? Our owners will be looking at top class players. Not flat track bullys.
Super City Slicker
back for one last one... spursman.. what has that got to do with basic comprehension? You fail to comprehend what comprehension means. Proving me right lol.
MCFC_Goatboy
Yes he is a charmer indeed is Goatboy. I do think he missed my point entirely but never mind. He is definitely lacking in basics.
The Tailor
Pav and keane better than ade? Hahhahahhahahahahahaahahaha pass me the crack pipe young man. Defoe or Bellamy.... I don't even have to think about it- BELLAMY thanks!!!!! People can argue Defoe scored more, but Bellamy has been involved in more goals FACT. Defoe is sooooooooo lazy he wouldn't get a look in at city. Compare his work ethic to bellers or tevez, its non existant. He is like crouch, just waiting in the box the entire game, one trick pony. The modern striker needs a lot mire about him than what Defoe brings to the pich! Keep your diamond earring donning Defoe and we'll keep the brilliant Bellamy.
Eighthsin
at least Arry's wife aint been with JT lol, lets have a look at HR shall we, buys great players at cheap prices who then go on to sell for loads more than original price, revives careers of players who were down and out, has won silverware and is currently sitting fourth in the league, hmmm think i will stick with the second hand car salesman thank you very much.
spursman79
Is 'Arry on crack?
severedgein
Your point.... that we have higher current crowds because our tickets costs less and because of the takeover. That Tottenham have more history than us because you've won more... you apparently have more style and have had better players. Am I missing anything? My points... ticket prices are irrelevant to the amount of support a team has.... or if the prices were as high as yours do you think people would stop supporting us? That you are ignorant to our history if you claim we have had no success style or players. That your idea of history being mainly about success (which I concluded from the fact that the majority of your post was about our lack of it) is wrong.
MCFC_Goatboy
adebayor is crap fact, how many has he scored? the bloke is so thick he even wore a gooner shirt to an interview, ask his dad at the local elephant wash in togo even he thinks he is crap, at least our strikers are honest players and look at pavs ability to put ball in the net unlike adebayor who needs at least 20 attempts before he can score 1.
spursman79
tailor said you have won nothing in the last 30 years!! sort your basic comprehension out man.
spursman79
spursman79, why is it that all londoners are so stupidly racist?
severedgein
spursman you really are retarded aren't you... I'm so sorry... I'll quote myself.... QUOTE... so what we've not one f all in 30 years... am I supposed to go and support the rags or something because they've won more?.....QUOTE ENDS
MCFC_Goatboy
Spursman - Adebayor has 9 goals in 18 appearances, 1 in every 2, crap eh?
Bluedub
ok... let me use an example. If you substitute the word Tottenham for Arseanal... and City for Tottenham in your arguments. You are saying (by your logic) that Spuds have no history because Arsenal have won more. I'll quote Taylor using the substitution.... QUOTE........When a football fan talks history it's about trophies, players and style - of which Spurs have none compared to Arsenal....... QUOTE...... is that right? I'll agree City have no history if I can hear a Spuds fan say that they have no history compared to a great club like Arsenal lol. do you not see how flawed your arguments are?
MCFC_Goatboy
the word is UN QUOTE actually or is basic grammar a problem for you aswell? tailor was stating your history in the last 30 years compared to our own so he was stating that you haven't got a history over this period in time, while we are on the subject what is your great history then? it must be quite something to be better than ours, so off you go im sure it won't take long to tell us all.
spursman79
That makes no sense though, goons have never won a european trophy for a start, our history is just as big as arsenals if not bigger in some cases.
spursman79
Now if you are on about the premier league then yes they have a bigger history.
spursman79
Goatboy - weren't you going out? What is the point of history if nothing has happened? Have you been to school? At school , university etc history is taught and it is about periods centreing around important events. I.e. World Wars, revolutions, famines, salvery etc. So, pray tell what is the point of history if there is nothing to talk of? I find it amazing that you can conclude history is not mainly about success??? Your failure to comprehend this basic argument is truly staggering. You are clearly very deluded. My ticket price argument is valid - team support is judged partly by attendance. However, if one team has a bigger stadium then ticket prices are a mitigating factor. How can Spurs get bigger crowds than Man C if your stadium holds 50k and ours 36k? How do we then measure "support"? What I can guarantee is we get bigger gate receipts despite the difference in attendance. What I go on to correctly state is that even if we increased ticket prices , with over 80,000 members and 22,000 on a waiting list for season tickets, we would continue to sell out. We are 15th in the Deloitte Rich list and you are 19th. A whopping 30.5m behind us (23%). Revenue is also about support and particluarly if you are not in Europe (as both of us are not) it comes down to gate receipts, membership sales, merchandising sales, advertising income and television rev. The latter two (TV and ads) are fairly even so we make 30.5m more than City on the other "supporter" related income generators. Get with it Goatboy you are way off the mark with your posts.
The Tailor
Thank you spursman. That is what I said. I quite clearly stated "last 30 years". Failure to comprehend my man.
The Tailor
Err no Goatboy, I don't agree. We have history becasue we have won silverware in the last 30 years. Arsenal have won much more but prior to the 80s we were the more successful. Spurs have been more successful than City in just about every period of "history" EVER! So, when you use the Arsenal, Spurs argument you are not only wrong you are sidestepping the real point. When people are wrong they often bring other teams into a debate that have nothing to do with it. We p1$$ all over you when it comes to history so stop trying to bring other teams into it.
The Tailor
Spursman... Words fail me, just like your brain fails you. Muppet.
Eighthsin
Sorry about the essay chaps... Have you gone out yet goatboy?
The Tailor
Spunks get so angry when you mention Arsenal...
severedgein
Severe - I am not getting angry. I just think its sad when you have to draw comparisons with other teams by dropping you own team out of it. What about you and the Mighty Mancs? You know, the ones who play in red? At any point in "history" EVER have you had more history??? Dear oh dear...
The Tailor
well i think you have well and truly lost that argument mr goatboy, well im going now as gotta get ready for work (sorry for swearing as i know work is an unused word in manchester), keep bellamy and your so called history goodbye COYS
spursman79
lol spursman...
The Tailor
Dont forget the apology for being racist too spursman. credit to your club, *applauds*
eighthsin
I Hate Spuds. end of.
Once a Blue
Tailor: 1. we're the only club in manchester. 2. we've bailed their ass out more times than I can count, so their mere existence is due to City, something they willingly forget at every opportunity. 3. Their time is over, our's has just been reignited. Spursman: it's Liverpool that doesn't know what work is.
severedgein
Sorry I was out. You say what is the point in history if nothing has happened. I never once said nothing has happened... success isn't the only thing to ever happen you know... that's your delusion. Or do the Germans have no history of warfare in the last century? They lost the world wars so have no history? Just because you are ignorant of our history doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You seem to only think trophies constitute history. You say it's staggering that I can conclude history is not only about success... well that just makes you sound even more stupid. As for dropping my own team out of the argument I was just trying to make it easier to understand for you little brain by including a team your more familiar with. This is the last I'm gonna say on this matter. It's impossible to argue with someone with no understanding of basically anything. ******** retard.
MCFC_Goatboy
Citys millions cant buy Defoe. Why would we want to swap Defoe for a cripple anyway?
freddya
Christ freddya, did you hear any of us saying we wanted your dross? NO. it's your 'Onest 'Arry that wants Bellamy.
severedgein
The one thing I am certain of is that the posters at Vital Arsenal must be enjoying a rare quiet moment without all of the spud morons clogging up their board! Don't worry Arsenal fans, I'm sure they'll be back to mither you once this has all blown over.
fifthcolumnblue
'arry just wants to manage City (he has been linked with haf the squad over the past 18 months). Thankfully this will never happen.
BlueWolfie
so answer me a question...is this vital spunks ?
bluemooner_mcfc
i guess it most be bluemooner!!!! very little city support here, in a similar way to the THOUSANDS of empty seats at your council rented stadium every week!!! just about sums up the comedy club of england.
lillywhites101
lol at man city
Payno33
Me thinks that 'Arry really wanted to manage City, he has had his eyes on virtually every member of our squad, but to swap Defoe for ballamy, I would say yes, if Defoe showed a lot more consistancy, but he dosen't and Bellamy shows comittment to the teams he plays for and I think he has found the right club at last, but sadly too late at an age when injuries take longer to heal.
Buzz Lightyear
Very clever goatboy. A well thought out, inventive and intelligent response from you. It is good to see that you continue to give Londoners the ammunition to mock all that is northern. I for one haven't insulted anyone but have just made some observations that you have failed (rather miserably) to answer or even comprehend. Well done on painitng such a fabulous picture of our Mancunian cousins. In fact I am surprised your beloved club don't ask you to be their spokesgoat.
The Tailor
retard
MCFC_Goatboy
Wow, you got me again Goatboy. Brilliant use of language. I bet you've got a lot of friends.
The Tailor
retard
MCFC_Goatboy
I'm just trying to keep it simple so you understand. Anything longer and you seem to not understand a thing that is said. Take for example your 'very clever' speech... I made comments about the issues brought up in your post... I commented on how having no success doesn't mean you have no history.. I commented on why I brought Arsenal into the argument.... instead of some kind of response to that I get nothing - which granted is better than some of the nonsense you've been spewing. The main points you've made are that City have won nothing so have no history... they have no players.. no style (your words).... that money determines support.. and don't say I'm missing your point... you wrote about 10 lines on finances in response to a support question and implied that because your club has a higher revenue it has better support... which is utter crap. I've tried to answer these interspersed with some derogatory comments to get a rise out of you. You say you have insulted nobody? You've insulted Francis Lee, Mike Summerbee, Colin Bell, Joe Mercer, Paul Dickov, Fred Tilson, Bert Trautman etc etc. in fact you've insulted everyone ever associated with the club... no history? no players? no style? In your narrow minded world yes.. in reality no.
MCFC_Goatboy
Goatboy, you have failed to comrehend any of my points and are simply twisting my words for you own gratification. I didn't say City had no history. I said Spurs have more history and I simply corrected your point that History (in football) isn't about success??? It clearly is in football - people talk about great cup wins, fantastic games league titles, Euro trophies etc. You cannot speak of anything for more than 30 years so your argument is one of a supporter whose team has won nothing trying to turn history into something to suit you. You have taken my words and made assumptions due to your insecurities regarding season afater season after season (I could go on) of winning nada, nich, nothing, zilch, zero. Also, I wouldn't expect you to understand my point about finances being indicative of support but I ain't going to stop you burying your head in the sand. It seems that is clearly teh best place for it.
The Tailor
And Paul Dickov??????? Jeeez man you must be scraping a very small barrell... Hahahahahahahahahaha brilliant. Paul Dickov - what a player he was...
The Tailor
And he is a huge part of Man City HISTORY mate... we were about to go under in 1998 and his goal saved us. Your ignorance of what constitutes history astounds me. It's not scraping the barrel... he was a ***** player... but he played a part in our history... a big part. Histories are different but to say City have no history compared to Spurs because we haven't won anything in 30 years is a bad joke. Also.. I do understand your failed logic regarding finance and support.... by your logic for example... a club in a 3rd world country with maybe 1,000,000 supporters (just an example) has less support than say Torquay because they create more revenue. You go on about me burying my head in the sand when you aren't able grasp these very easy to understand points.
MCFC_Goatboy
"im surprised your club hasn't asked you to be their spokesgoat" hahahaha.....goatboy well and truely nailed to the cross! lol......would goatboy like to inform us all what this history is????? all you do is deny success = history, so please inform us of your glorious history!!! and what your interpretation of it is......maybe its being a yo-yo club? maybe it is being owned by a on the run corrupt thai polititian?.....maybe its being run so badly that only 4 or 5 seasons ago you just missed relegation (again) by 4 points, and on your knees financially crippled, whoring yourself around for a buyer, any buyer!......there is a reason why MCFC are regarded as a comedy club.....so please put your spin on history, and correct us all.
lillywhites101
Once a Blue..always a t*@t
Daz Hotspurs
MCFC_Goatboy - Spurs a step down from City?? Name one player you would have signed in the last 2 transfer windows without offering them considerably higher wages due to being "selected" by some Arab with too much time on his hands - Further more any success you experience in the next 10 years will be tainted by the fact that your mob were a glorified Bolton until the oil money was introduced! and IMO the only class player you have besides Given is Tevez and he only turned up at your door step to get one back at Fergie- and as were on the subject of "step downs" and big clubs wasn't you in the third tier of English football as recent as 1999??? Crawl back under you rock *****!
DazzaTHFC
How anyone can say such and such a club has no history baffles me. Are you really that retarded?, may I suggest you look up the definition of the word.
Bluedub
lily - I've tried explaining a few times but the feeble brain of a Tottenham supporter is incapable it seems of rudimentary comprehension. I'll give an example... ask a random football fan who won the FA Cup in say 1956.. majority won't have a clue. Ask a random football fan about the goalkeeper who broke his neck in an FA Cup final and they'll know about it. It just so happens that he broke it in that 1956 final. The success is a nice line a record book... the neck break is history. This is just one example... another is Dickov saving us going bust in 98 like I said before. If you only judge history by success then you are a very shallow person and you like/love the game for all the wrong reasons. You may as well just follow the most successful club if nothing else matters. As for Dazza's comment - will if success is all that matters as you spurs fans contend - then history will only remember the success the takeover may bring apparently... all the rest never happened.
MCFC_Goatboy
no Goatboy - what YOU are saying is that success has NOTHING to do with the history of a football club. What we are saying is that it forms a large part of a football clubs history. You are certainly making some strides as you seem to have finally understood that history is about important events/happenings. Nonetheless it is you that has failed to comprehend the most rudimentary of discussions... Lilywhite and Dazza both make very valid points. I think it speaks volumes that you are really the only one arguing the to$$ from the Man C camp. It appears even they can't be bothered with your inane ramblings. Paul Dickov - hahahahahahaha that one nearly made me fall off my chair regardless of the illustrius surroundings of his "history" with man C!
The Tailor
*illustrious
The Tailor
FFs... get out of your dream world and come back to reality for jsut one moment. Read exactly what I write and try to understand. Your last comment is pretty much an admission that you can't comprehend what I'm saying. Not once have I said success has nothing to do with the history of a football club. Not once have I said important events/happenings have nothing to do with the history club. I said having no success doesn't mean you have no history - which is what you have been saying. My entire argument all along was that important events have a bearing to which you have said they don't and only success matters. The fact that it's taken you so long to understand that speaks volumes for your intelligence. Nobody else wants to speak with you because it's pointless. They don't have the patience I do. You honestly are a right dumb ********. I won't be posting on this article any more because it's obvious you lack the intelligence to understand basic English.
MCFC_Goatboy
Tailor are you for real? You are saying history is about important events happening, so are the less important events not part of history? Get a grip. Dazza - are Spurs a glorified Fulham?
Bluedub
severedgein, Harry was indeed after bellamy a while back but where also does he actually say he wants him now! All paper talk my friend..besides Bellamy is just a sprinter who scores a goal here and there..The guys is all talk..How many goals does he actually score...
freddya
I lack the intelligence to understand basic English? Your entire vocabulary constitutes basic English and you say i cannot udnerstand it? Goatboy, it is clear you don't understand even basic English because I have never said that if you have no success you have no history. I am saying (as stated in my previous post) that success is an important prt of clubs history. Weren't you the muppet who tried to imply that Man C had a more history than Spurs because you were formed 2 years before us.. Sure, by pure definition your history is longer by 2 years but it is certainly meaningless compared to ours. Comprende or are you really as thick as your posts make you look? Remember, no more posts from you on the subject as you are soooooo intelligent. Yeh, really intelligent - Dickov - hahahahahahahahaha. Brilliant!!
The Tailor
Bluedub - maybe you shouldn't assume what the rather intelligent goatboy posts to be true. I never said that. What I said was that success (in football not in every topic but FOOTBALL) is a large part of a club's history - not the only part. What goatboy does badly, despite his massive intellect, is actually understand. Are you with me still? What he also does is make poor assumptions based on his own idea of what he wants to reply to.
The Tailor
And if you want to be pedantic about history (as goatboy clearly is) then every single uneventful day is a part of history. So yesterday was history, so was the day before and so on.. but kids won't be taught about those uneventful days in school because we have to be selective. Comprende?
The Tailor
Tailor - you said that history was about important events, I was merely correcting you, in that it's anything which has happened in the past, so there's no need for the use of the word "comprende"in a patronising manner, when it was you that made the idiotic statement in the first place.
Bluedub
freddya - Bellamy has scored 11 goals in 30 games this season from the left wing, not bad eh?
Bluedub
Bluedub - you were being pedantic. As I say, history is yesterday, the day before. By sheer definition history is 1 minute ago. What I am saying is that history is formed around important events/happenings but if we want to argue for the sake of it (as Goatboy does and maybe you do too) then yes, we can argue that history is every moment your club is operating all the way back to 1880. But, when the point was raised earlier (Spurs having more history than Man C) we all knew what was meant. So it is fair to say I just find this whole micro argument about "what is history" very childish and simply avoiding the point.
The Tailor
Ok Guys. Lets drop this subject. As with these type of discussions, there is not going to be any agreement just a breeding ground for insults and sheer nastiness. I think in general, there is more of a respect between our set of clubs than many other clubs in the prem...Lets keep it that way..COYS for tomorrow!!!!!
freddya
Tailor, whats the point of arguing with these obviously stupid man city fans i mean paul dickov???? soooo funny, that should of been end of argument when players like greaves, hoddle, gazza, lineker, ginola etc make up our history, our list is endless whereas there list has PAUL DICKOV in it!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha
spursman79
the next one will be paulo wanchope lmao
spursman79
clueless *****s go ***** yourselfs
MCFC_Goatboy
do you have paul dickovs greatest man city goals on dvd goatboy??? bet it only lasts 3 minutes lmao
spursman79
100 posts... 45 from City fans trying to explain we don't want Defoe, 55 Spunk foam (that protects against pregnancy right)... incredible.
severedgein
and 1 post from severedgein which is pointless, PAUL DICKOV!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
spursman79
spursman - learn to read - I said that Dickov is *****e - not once did I say he was a great player - we were talking about history - he scored the goal that stopped us going bust.... history. I don't see what is so hard to grasp about that. Retards the lot of you. You should all be put down. LEARN TO READ!!!!!
MCFC_Goatboy
Paulo Wanchope - brilliant Spursman, LOL... Funny how they thought we got upset about the mention of Arsenal but here they are just throwing insults at us. I think you mean "yourselves" spokesgoat!
The Tailor
Spursman - you really don't get it do you, Dickov scored arguably the most important goal in City's recent history and will therefore go down in City folklore. Judging by your posts though I reckon you lack the intelligence to grasp that.
Bluedub
imagine telling the grandchildren that PAUL DICKOV is one of the most famous in your clubs history!! the grandchild then goes to the field with his mates and tells them he is gonna be PAUL DICKOV!! priceless hahahahahahahahahaha
spursman79
No Spokesgoat that came later about him being part of the history. You said, in reply to one of my earlier posts, "You've insulted Francis Lee, Mike Summerbee, Colin Bell, Joe Mercer, PAUL DICKOV, Fred Tilson, Bert Trautman etc etc." Now, to list him with players you conisder good means you consider him a legend so stop trying to spin it. Congrats though because you have understood how stupid that comment really was and now you are trying to save it with the "Dickov is $h1te" comment from your earlier post. It's abit like us listing Jason Dozzell with Waddle, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Ardiles, Greaves, Gilzean, Ginola etc and then saying (when ridiculed) that we didn't mean he was good - we meant he was $h1te. Hahahahaha brilliant... I have to say I am still laughing at that comment.
The Tailor
What insults? Is retards not the correct terminology any more? Am I being politically incorrect? Ok... mentally challenged the lot of you. LEARN TO READ. That is not an insult. I can only go from the evidence displayed here so it is fact.
MCFC_Goatboy
bluedub - i think we do get it. It wasn't to do with the history issue but the in the context goatboy mentioned Dickov. Come on, even you can see the irony in that? Whether he meant it or not.
The Tailor
Tailor you nonce you are clueless. In response to no history, no players, no style I wrote ---- QUOTE--- You say you have insulted nobody? You've insulted Francis Lee, Mike Summerbee, Colin Bell, Joe Mercer, Paul Dickov, Fred Tilson, Bert Trautman etc etc. in fact you've insulted everyone ever associated with the club... no history? no players? no style? In your narrow minded world yes.. in reality no.--- END QUOTE---- Where exactly in that have I said he is a good player? I could of said groundskeeper Willy I just reeled names of past players who meant something. And you say you aren't retarded?
MCFC_Goatboy
they are so funny man city fans, i wanna have one and keep it as a pet lol bless them.
spursman79
the bit where you say "no players? no style?" erm......... yeh that kind of suggests that by putting PAUL DICKOV in the list of players that you are claiming he was a good player with style!! and we are the retards! oh and i think you will find nonce is an insult gay boy!
spursman79
Exactly spursman, bang on. But according to the genius that is spokesgoat we are the retards. He hasn't got a hoof to stand on and he continues to insult everyone with terms like "nonce". You know what they say - if you can't win an argument abuse is the way forward. What a loser.
The Tailor
oh and Paul Dickov - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - that is a real nugget.
The Tailor
I like the way you conveniently missed out the first thing I said after it... no history.. that aside though... all the players I listed are legends so yes you can lump in with players. What is so hard to understand. He's a club legend because he saved our skin. He doesn't have to be good.
MCFC_Goatboy
If you look back nonce you'll see it was your lot who started off with the insults. I just sunk to a level you seemed comfortable with. You ignore everything that is said... I try and address your points.. you dismiss mine... I explain.... you turn it around badly... your last post about insults being a prime example... seeing as your lot started with the insults.
MCFC_Goatboy
ok goatboy - despite all you abuse let's end it here otherwise we will go on forever. We will never agree so let's agree to disagree.
The Tailor
I didn't start with any insults btw. If another Spurs fan did then fair enough but it doesn't mean you are right to insult all Spurs fans. Insult the ones that insult you if you wish.
The Tailor
you never said all these players are legends but couldn't play very well, you made them all out to be great players who had style, PAUL DICKOV and STYLE in the same sentence!! and you have the cheek to call us retards, you are the one changing your comment around coz you read it and realized just how retarded the statement made you look, PAUL DICkOV LMAO hahahahahahahaha
spursman79
Agreed. We'll agree to disagree. Good luck with the rest of the season. If we don't get 4th I hope it's you or Villa.
MCFC_Goatboy
Ditto - one thing I do agree on is that I don't want Liverpool to get it. Bye for now.
The Tailor
don't you just love all this "MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS" One-upmanship from thed supporters of a small club in London? Your inferiority complex is anything but comples Simples.
fifthcolumnblue
fifthcolumnblue come back when you can actually sell out your rented stadium to games other then the big 4 - Bluedub - Whats it feel like to get battered by a glorified Fulham then lol :P
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