Zaba Arsenal Red Overturned

That's ludicrous, he stood there while Sagna repeatidly nutted him, obviously that's worth a red *eye roll*.

Cue the indignant hoardes from the Emirates.

Zab should of chucked himself on the floor and rolled round a few times OH hang on his name is not Wilshire is it

Apparently Zabelata insulted Sagna which is why he lost his rag. One can easily imagine what that low-life would have said, but Bacary will take his punishment like a man. Which is more than can be said for some of your players. I mean, Jo. Lol! I've never seen such girly simulation in all my born days.

I know 3 things about Zabaleta. 1. He's slow 2. He can't tackle 3. He has a nasty mouth. That's enough for me to dislike him.

Funny that the "slow" Zabaleta haqd the paciest player in the league (Walcott) in his pocket all night then. The look on Walcott's face as he was subbed was absolutely priceless - hell, I'd even go as far as saying that it would make international headlines if a City player had stormed off the pitch like that - but nobody seemed to mind Walcott throwing a strop. You're not a club in crisis by any chance are you? PMSL. P.S. Watch a replay of Zab's impeccable tackle on Walcott in our box and tell me he can't tackle before you go showing yourself up any further eh?

As far as I'm concerned professional footballers should not resort to physical violence under any sort of provocation, be it verbal or otherwise. These are not school children after all. Whatever Zabaleta said may or may not have been provocative, but i woulde imagine the frustration of the entire Arsenal team at blowing the chance to beat us played more than a small part in his reaction. As an Arsenal fan I will not expect you to agree with me, but I suspect it was nothing more than petulance on the part of Sagna - the same petulance that pervades your team and makes the likes of Fabregas think it's perfectly professional to harangue the opposition manager after the final whistle.

Makes a change for your manager not to be publicly harangued by his own captain I guess....................

If you can't accept that zabaleta was haranguing Sagna then you can't turn around and say fabregas was doing the same to mankini. It's hypocritical one eyed idiocy. Personally I'm sure cesc was complimenting Bertie on his teams' positive pouring forward attack minded masterclass. Just as I'm convinced there was no lowdown racial materazzi style slur from the Argentinian.

When did anyone say anything about Zaba not haranguing Sagna Niko? There were obviously words exchanged but who knows what they were? As for Fabregas, his behaviour is plain wrong.

"Makes a change for your manager not to be publicly harangued by his own captain I guess" Big difference between a stroppy player that doesn't want to be subbed and what Fabregas did. But then again, nobody commented on Walcott's reaction did they.

Condone Fabregas's actions! Yeah Fab was screaming at Mancini while pointing his middle finger up. What a joke. Two football men had a quick debate which was settled once they shook hands before leaving the field. If Fab had said anything inappropriate Mancini would have mentioned it. Mancini was also gracious enough to mention that Arsenal played better than City and that not all teams can play like they can. I'd rather listen to a proper football manager's reaction to the game than a bunch of amateurs with mediocre analytical ability.

"I'd rather listen to a proper football manager's reaction to the game than a bunch of amateurs with mediocre analytical ability." What do you get out of being a member of Vital Arsenal then Delta?

Niko, you're twisting my words now, there is obviously words exchanged between Sagna and Zab, I was merely asking Wyn how does he know anything bad was said because he had suggested that Zab had a nasty mouth. I never said Zab didn't harangue him. Things get heated on a football pitch and words are exchanged, that's a given, however I do not agree that players whether they are captains or not have any authority to harangue opposition managers, they should show more respect.

Ah yes, it's clearly easier to have the reinforcement of your mates on Vital Arsenal - which would appear to be why your rablle only ever invade our boards en masse. And words are exchanged between footballers on the pitch all the time, it's no big deal. It's when a player goes over to deliberately mouth off at an oposition manager that it becomes slightly tasteless and crass. Not that that ever stopped the arsenal's sense of self importance.

Delta, this exchange started well before the article you are referring to. Post match the first poisonous comment came from your site editor.

Change the record Mark, blimey your repetitive moaning and bitching posts about moaning and bitching are deathly dull! The definition of irony methinks. All the gooner posts here have been good humoured banter. The only one dribbling on with whiny bitter 'arseole' 'arsescum' abuse is you mate. I look forward to our fixtures as a lot of the lads here like bagel, dub and filthycolumn enjoy the banter. Lighten up ya grumpy bugga ;)

S if nobody from your side is complaining then WTF are you all doing over here? What exactly is your obsession with Manchester City?

nikolaijns Dont you like the truth? - You try to bully your way to victory first in the press and then on the field aswell as in the stands and then in the press agin if you didnt win and on any message boards for weeks after what is the obsession with city are we really the only team worth talking about?

OK, so it says Arsenal in the title, but what is so inflammatory that requires virtually every member of vital arsenal to vent their spleen about it? None of you are disagreeing with the decision to rescind the card, even arsenal fans would not dare to make themselves look so assinine, but my point remains the same - what is your problem, and why are you still here? We are not going to change our minds, none of your moralising, patronising drivel about how much better you are than us is going to sink in and change our opinions of either the match, the red cards or any of the other incidents and none of your goading about how dull you think we are is going to change our views that we are heading in the right direction. We are City supporters, you are Arsenal supporters, fair dues, but your continued attempts to win some sort of imaginary contest to prove that you are correct are at best misguided, at worst slightly sinister. Give it up guys, there is no right or wrong only opinions, and no matter how many times you reassert yours nobody will ever agree with it. So give it a rest PLEASE, I've had enough one eyed cant from you to fill an olympic simiing pool and it's no longer even vaguely amusing. In short, I've had enough of the crap you spew to last me a lifetime, I'm sure your opinions on us are similar, so please, feel free to return to vital Arsenal and enjoy the smugfest amongst those who give a flying foch about your team.

Deltaforce - you guys are always welcome on VMC. I love the debate / banter, call it what you will. Its what makes Vital unique from stand-alone club forums.

You're welcome Deltaforce.

Do I condone what Fabregas did? Jeez, I really don't give a monkey's a hole, just like I didn't disagree with the decision to send Sagna off or the decision to overturn Zabaleta's red card. They're all grown men and I'm sure they can exchange views without us appointing ourselves the moral majority. I don't think it's a great deal to worry about, all got sorted and in the correct manner. "What is your obsession with Man City?" Well, have a look at your front page now and look at how many articles there are about Arsenal? Done? No go to Vital Arsenal and check what's been written about Citeh. Not just the headlines, read the match report too. What's the point of expressing or even reading other opinions if some form of mutual education isn't your aim FCB? Maybe you'll read something that makes you see in a different light? Be open to that possibility and you'll benefit immeasurably. I've had my opinions changed dozens of times by compelling arguments, does a man good to allow his opinions to be challenged.

You can have a different opinion and I do. Like I said above two players getting a bit heated after a challenge on the pitch is natural. I believe a player should not have the disrespect to remonstrate with the oppositions manager on the pitch after a game. I'll put it like this if Shawcross was to do it to Wenger would it be acceptable in your view?

We'll have to agree to disagree LD. I still maintain that it's highly disrespectful and shouldn't be tolerated, if that's me being "all Judge Judy" then so be it.

Well I wasn't peeved about Zabaleta having a pop at Sagna, so why would I? Unless I have full access to what he says, why would I get my knickers in a twist about it? Why is having a pop at an Arsenal player any different to having pop at the Arsenal manager? If I knew what was said I'd have something to go on, if it's not in the public domain, it's not my business and two grown men can sort it out for themselves.

Actually my apology it was tublu who made the 'illegal immigrant' comment. My bad.

Come to this late! Looks like i've missed a bit of a love in!