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Juventus vs Manchester City - 7.45pm GMT Weds 25th Nov - UEFA Champions League Match Day Thread
23 November 2015 08:53 Post ID: #559529
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Well once again I find myself having to drag my fingers to the keyboard after another chastening 4-1 league defeat. Back in the Dark Days of City's history that would not be such an unusual event but for this squad of players to deliver the heaviest defeat ever at the Etihad.......well, it was an eye opener. :no:

City found themselves blown away by a Liverpool team that having seemingly struggled to get to grips with their new manager's philosophy suddenly had a lightbulb moment :idea: and thought "So THAT was what he meant". It all clicked into place for them. Liverpool played like Dortmund in red shirts, pressing high, closing fast and before City could draw breath and drag themselves out of their now traditional lethargy they found themselves two goals down and all at sea. IMO this may mark a watershed moment for Liverpool who's sense of self belief and trust in the manager will have been bolstered no end by their thumping of one of the main title contenders.

Even a bright cameo moment from the returning talisman Sergio Aguero just before the break was not enough to galvanise the team into clawing back the deficit. Sorry, but you really can't give any team a three goal lead at home and expect to get anything out of the game.

Pellegrini's team selection was clearly made with one eye on this game against Juventus - there could be no other reason for keeping Kompany, Otamendi & Fernandinho on the bench. Suffice to say that it seems he under estimated his opponent, over estimated his players and was let down by some very, very poor individual performances. His plan backfired badly.

Whether the prioritisation of the CL match and the desire to qualify for the knock out rounds as winner of the group will be successful clearly remains to be seen. I feel that there is a push from above to try and demonstrate progress in Europe and the most practical way of doing so is to reach the quarter finals as a minimum. So I can understand the logic....but we all know that football is a fickle game and just because you get drawn against group runners up does not mean you will necessarily get an easier ride.

Well to the task in hand......City arrive in Turin to face opponents sitting 6th in their domestic league. They have lost only one of their last 6 fixtures and have won their last three home fixtures. In fact you have to go back to the balmy days of late August to find a defeat on home turf.

City will have the boost of having the talismanic Aguero available again but Pellegrini's options remain hampered it would seem by the continuing absence of Silva and Kompany according to reports. This makes Kompany's presence on the bench last Saturday a bit of a puzzle.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news...

With Bony also missing and the inexperienced Iheanacho ineligible for the Champions League the weight of expectation weighs once again heavily on the shoulders of Sergio Aguero. Playing his second game back against the likes of Cheillini is not the scenario I would have preferred - the Juve backline will be aware of how thin our attacking options are and I am sure will be looking to lay one on Sergio early doors.

Otamendi is sure to return but who he will partner gives me serious pause for thought. Mangala had an absolute mare on Saturday and Demichelis seemed to play with the uncertainty and lack of authority which dogged his early days in a City shirt. Sagna likewise seemed out of sorts and Kolarov's recent performances have been the subject of comment previously. Not the solid foundations that comprehensive, dominant performances in difficult European away fixtures would seem to be built upon.

Fernandinho has got to start alongside Fernando surely? Toure will be played further forward no doubt and it will be perm any two from De Bruyne, Navas and Sterling to complete the midfield.

I am sure that privately Pellegrini takes some responsibility for his team selection last weekend but he will also have been seriously hacked off at the inability of those players that he selected to deal with the situation they were presented with. I hope he has made his feelings known because a big performance is now required.

The stall has been set out - win the group. The eggs are in that basket. Let's hope the players don't drop them.
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23 November 2015 10:20 Post ID: #559533 - in reply to #559529
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Fernandinho has got to start alongside Fernando surely? Toure will be played further forward no doubt and it will be perm any two from De Bruyne, Navas and Sterling to complete the midfield...

MP should bench Toure. He's handicapped us for to long.

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23 November 2015 15:13 Post ID: #559538 - in reply to #559529
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If the players who had played for their countries had started, Saturday's results are a lot different, in my opinion. It's pretty clear that Pellegrini didn't want to risk injuries with 7 games in 22 days coming up, so he went with a reduced lineup, and that broke the team.

If it means we win our group and avoid Barcelona next round, will it be worth it? I guess we'll see.

If we win this game it will mean we're in a great spot with Gladbachen at home. All can be forgotten with a win in Turin.
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23 November 2015 15:30 Post ID: #559539 - in reply to #559538
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It won't be worth it in my book Philly, getting humiliated on our own patch by Liverpool of all **cking teams is completely unacceptable.
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23 November 2015 18:07 Post ID: #559545 - in reply to #559529
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Skoorb - 23/11/2015 08:53



City will have the boost of having the talismanic Aguero available again but Pellegrini's options remain hampered it would seem by the continuing absence of Silva and Kompany according to reports. This makes Kompany's presence on the bench last Saturday a bit of a puzzle.


He wasn't on the Berti. Manuel said on Friday that he was injured and wouldn't be available. He was in the stand
Our defensive options are worryingly poor at the moment :thinking:
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23 November 2015 22:26 Post ID: #559548 - in reply to #559529
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I taped the second half of the Juve Milan game. Sublime goal from their little Argentenian player. Pogba in the build up was brilliant. However they showed nothing to suggest we cant get a point at least. Check it out on Youtube.

Cant get enthused about the Money Champions League. Still smarting after getting flogged by the dippers.
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24 November 2015 08:02 Post ID: #559551 - in reply to #559539
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Bluedub - 23/11/2015 15:30

It won't be worth it in my book Philly, getting humiliated on our own patch by Liverpool of all **cking teams is completely unacceptable.


I am in furious agreement with you on this point, humiliation at home is very hard to stomach v the Dippers.
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24 November 2015 16:49 Post ID: #559560 - in reply to #559529
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No Zabaleta, Mangala, Kompany, Silva on the plane to Turin, in addition to Bony and long term absentee Nasri.
Quite a few EDS noted among the trainees this morning.
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24 November 2015 16:54 Post ID: #559561 - in reply to #559529
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Off topic, but I saw a tweet earlier that Arsenal-Zagreb is on BT Sport showcase tonight channel 59 Freeview, if anyone is interested.
Surprised by that, if it's the case, think all the others have been on a Wednesday. Thought the rags PSV game tomorrow was odds on for showing.
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24 November 2015 18:57 Post ID: #559563 - in reply to #559529
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Looks like Otamendi and Demichelis in the centre of defence then....

Is Mangala injured or just mentally scarred?
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24 November 2015 21:12 Post ID: #559566 - in reply to #559563
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I'm mentally scarred after the dippers game.

Hope Clichy is fit as Im not backing AK to be a rock in defence.
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25 November 2015 00:12 Post ID: #559570 - in reply to #559529
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So it's 4,5,1 then and the team picks itself with only who plays LB open for debate. Go blues and smoke 'em.
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25 November 2015 03:52 Post ID: #559571 - in reply to #559529
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The Ferns need to be disciplined , and not go over the half way line, leave KDB and Mr Kipling to do the forward stuff , and let RS and SA occupy the Juve defense
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25 November 2015 07:45 Post ID: #559574 - in reply to #559566
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nedkelly - 24/11/2015 21:12

I'm not backing AK to be a rock in defence.


A phrase often heard in City fan circles.

Actually I get a bit puzzled sometimes when commentators, pundits etc come up with statements like "As a full back I'm not convinced about his defending" - and not just about Kolarov although this does seem to come up quite a lot in reference to his play.

His performance against Sevilla at home had me chewing the cushions as I think he only managed to stop one cross from the winger he was supposedly 'marking' and I think that was only because the guy mis-hit the cross. It was embarrassing and the Full Backs Union should have demanded he return their membership card :no:

It is all very well being able to whip in a mean cross or kick the ball really, really hard but you HAVE to be able to do the basics as a defender surely. :thinking:
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25 November 2015 07:48 Post ID: #559575 - in reply to #559529
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The City squad......

Manchester City squad: Hart, Caballero, Sagna, Demichelis, Otamendi, Kolarov, Clichy, Maffeo, Adarabioyo, Toure, Fernando, Fernandinho, Delph, Bryan, Celina, Sterling, De Bruyne, Navas, Glendon, Aguero, Ambrose.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34896643

Looking a bit thin on Champions League (or even League) experience.....6 youngsters filling the berths vacated by the likes of Kompany, Zabaleta, Bony, Mangala, Silva & Nasri
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25 November 2015 12:26 Post ID: #559584 - in reply to #559529
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Any streams for the youth team v Jjuventus?
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25 November 2015 12:38 Post ID: #559585 - in reply to #559584
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