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16 May 2016 16:03 Post ID: #575572 - in reply to #575567
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I avoid politics like the plague, and I've not had any leaflets of any sort pushed through my letter box (which is a communal one, as I live in a flat), either pro or anti.

My gut feeling at present is to leave, though. I was too young to vote in the previous referendum Britain had on membership in 1975.
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17 May 2016 20:48 Post ID: #575660 - in reply to #566188
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fifthcolumnblue - 11/2/2016 20:31

Europe. Bureaucratic, undemocratic, rigid and inefficient

Britain: Nepotistic, undemocratic, rigid and inefficient!

We owe some of the most important human rights and environmental regulations to Europe, but we also get lumbered with The Council of Europe making decisions on behalf of corporate interests without regard for the population itself.

I am decidedly undecided, although out of caution, I would probably at this moment decide to stay in. If only because I reckon our current government would turn us into an offshore, low wage sweatshop run by an elite of tax dodging bankers, with everyone else getting screwed



I think Fifth has sussed it.

The punters are undecided and nobody knows what to chose due to the lack of on formation being handed out.

The punters will maintain the status quo as sure as eggs is eggs.

Less chance of voting for Brexit than the 'rags' getting 19 tonight !

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19 May 2016 08:48 Post ID: #575751 - in reply to #566170
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The lack of information, I think we lack the truth, one lot says this and the other say something completely different.

who to believe?
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19 May 2016 09:08 Post ID: #575756 - in reply to #575751
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My concern with this is in regards the bloody border between Northern Ireland and the Republic being tightened again which will inevitably lead to tensions building again.
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19 May 2016 09:24 Post ID: #575758 - in reply to #575756
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I can see where you're coming from, but I can't see that happening, Bluedub.
McGuinness is in a position of power in the Northern Ireland Assembly, and Adams is a TD in the Dail.

Anyway, I have a book that accompanied a BBC series in the late 1980s about borders around the world, and Ireland was one of them.
Some of the stories and things discussed in there only confirm my thoughts, as the situation is now.
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19 May 2016 09:36 Post ID: #575759 - in reply to #575758
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I hope you're right CITK, I just fear they'll have no choice as people will always look to gain entry to the UK for economic reasons and can see the border being targeted as a weak point.
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21 May 2016 06:11 Post ID: #575831 - in reply to #566170
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BD are you talking about foreigners gaining entry or Irish citizens, I assume there will always be that special relationship between our countries where borders do not exist as such between the British and the Irish.
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20 June 2016 07:54 Post ID: #576833 - in reply to #575831
Only a few days to go until the UK decides.

I wonder?
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20 June 2016 08:03 Post ID: #576835 - in reply to #576833
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20 June 2016 08:59 Post ID: #576842 - in reply to #576835
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I fear I am getting splinters. My head says out because of the bureaucracy and concerns over the direction the EU is heading in (political union) but my heart, being an inclusive sort, says in.

The standard of debate though has been awful. Shockingly low brow, appealing to the basest of instincts, patronising in the extreme and devoid of genuine, well argued facts. Thoroughly disheartened by the whole affair. Both campaigns have hacked me off and I would love to give the sneering, pompous Osbourne for one a bl**dy nose because of his 'punishment budget' approach and because I believe the instability this is causing in the markets is deliberate - an exit vote and this will continue and so Osbourne will claim 'I told you so', a remain vote and there will an automatic 'rebound' and Osbourne & co will claim "look, the markets justify everything we said". But I don't want to vote as a protest.

Oh the agony of choice.
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20 June 2016 09:06 Post ID: #576844 - in reply to #576842
Last week the Brexit campaign were in the poll lead and the value of stocks and shares fell. Today I hear the Remain campaign had overtaken the Brexit lot and the value of Sterling has shot-up.

What to do.....
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20 June 2016 09:12 Post ID: #576845 - in reply to #575831
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Buzz Lightyear - 21/5/2016 06:11

BD are you talking about foreigners gaining entry or Irish citizens, I assume there will always be that special relationship between our countries where borders do not exist as such between the British and the Irish.


Sorry Buzz just seeing this now. I'm talking about 'foreigners' mate. The easiest way to access Britain will be through Ireland.
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20 June 2016 09:19 Post ID: #576847 - in reply to #576835
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Does staying in the EU mean that we accept that the non elected bureaucrats in Brussels are given the thumbs up to rule us as our Parliaments get weaker in what laws we can make which can be overruled at the stroke of a pen.

I think too much emphasis is being placed on immigration as not only Britain are suffering, but people who do come into the UK should not expect us to keep, feed and clothe them if they have not paid into the system.

I have listened to most of the arguments and you have to wade through a lot of scaremongering from both sides to the thing that we simply do not know what will happen if we do leave.

Has anyone actually come out with a figure of what we get for out £350m which may or may not not be the figure going over the English channel.

They do say that the best trade deal with a country outside the EU has been done by Canada and that has taken 7 years to complete, but it would take 2 years for us to leave the EU.

All the independent financial experts say that we would be worse off , but at least we would be in control of our own money as what to spend it on.

The PM who appears to be taking the brunt of the remain campaign with shouts of resign if it is out, but forget that The Labour leader who is also in the remain train is getting no flak at all because he has had his head down for months.

The leave campaigners, cannot say what will happen and that is dangerous, just to leave and not have a plan.

The bottom line is I don't know.

My golden rule is if in doubt don't.
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20 June 2016 09:22 Post ID: #576848 - in reply to #576844
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Tudor - 20/6/2016 09:06

Last week the Brexit campaign were in the poll lead and the value of stocks and shares fell. Today I hear the Remain campaign had overtaken the Brexit lot and the value of Sterling has shot-up.

What to do..... :017:


It was always going to have the markets in turmoil, Mr. T.
Whichever way the vote goes it WILL settle down.

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20 June 2016 09:37 Post ID: #576850 - in reply to #576848
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Surely the leave campaign could do better than Boris and Nigel?

A bumbling idiot and a condescending, ignorant, bigot. Not the best poster boys but incredibly it seems people are listening to them. Politics, I'll never understand it.
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20 June 2016 10:54 Post ID: #576863 - in reply to #576850
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Your point about Corbyn keeping his head well and truly below the parapet is well made Buzz. I am sure he just wanted to keep out of the picture and allow the internecine warfare between the Tories to continue as long as possible. His lukewarm engagement in the debate has been an abrogation of his responsibility as the leader of the official opposition IMO

And I am with you BD - politics. WTF? So few of them are genuinely interested in making a difference.
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20 June 2016 11:11 Post ID: #576868 - in reply to #576863
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It is a career choice, just like any other job. They are out to line their own pockets and the expenses scandals illustrate my point perfectly (and it is still going on!)
The days when people went into politics with a sense of wanting to serve their community and do good are long gone.

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