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18 December 2016 22:08 Post ID: #590362 - in reply to #590361
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I thought he did ok, but I would love to see video riffing come in, but the Silva controversy today was not that clear cut, some say yes some no, he definitely in my view did not get into Chec eye line, had it gone across him then yes, but we had it worse with Joe a Hart against Liverpool and that was given
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18 December 2016 22:14 Post ID: #590364 - in reply to #587170
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There's no way that is offside, it shouldn't even be a debate in my view.
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18 December 2016 22:49 Post ID: #590367 - in reply to #587170
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Not offside for me either. The shot is upon Cech before Silva even gets across - the angle from behind Sterling is deceptive.
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18 December 2016 22:52 Post ID: #590368 - in reply to #590367
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I think Martin "97 mins" Atkinson booked Fernando in extra time of extra time...
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18 December 2016 23:08 Post ID: #590370 - in reply to #587170
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He took one for the team there but Atkinson really should have handed out a few more to the gooners. Do we commit worse fouls than anyone else? Seems we must as we usually end up with more bookings than our opponents.
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03 January 2017 07:41 Post ID: #591451 - in reply to #587170
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Mike Dean is widely thought to have done the rags a massive favour yesterday by sending off the West Ham player, Feghouli, for his challenge on Jones. Most believe Jones theatrical rolling helped get his opponent sent for an early bath.

And Twatan's goal is clearly offside

Add this to the 'wonder goal' from Mikhitariyan the other day, the failure to send off Rojo for his two footed tackles x 2 and Twatan for his various offences (shoulder barge, snide kicking Seamus Coleman in the head) and you kind of get the feeling that the PGMOL Rag Support Programme has been reactivated (after being dorms during the Moyes and Van Gaal eras)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38492564

Plus Dean was the ref who penalised Sterling for his contact with an opponent in our opening fixture of the season based on the new rules...........and yet the contact by the Burnley player on Bravo yesterday prior to their goal being given is not deemed a foul. Hmmmmm
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04 January 2017 06:50 Post ID: #591583 - in reply to #587170
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Seems they have ahead a reminder......

Mike Dean's red-card mistake at West Ham came after referees' body issued reminder on sending off offences

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/03/mike-deans-red-card-...
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04 January 2017 07:33 Post ID: #591585 - in reply to #587170
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"As a former resident of the Wirral, Dean was previously regarded as too much of a local to referee a Merseyside derby and had not even taken charge of a game involving either Liverpool or Everton for 10 years before last month. He was due to be the 2006 FA Cup final referee until Liverpool got through to play at Cardiff and it has only been since Dean moved to Wales that he has been considered."

This caught my eye, why is it that Dean living in the Wirral 9.9 miles away ( or 6.7 miles through the Birkenhead tunnel ) is considered too local to Liverpool yet Anthony Taylor who is 6.2 miles away from Manchester isn't?

Then there's our friend Mason, now he's double the distance away from Manchester that Dean and Taylor are frok Liverpool and Manchester respectively but still in Greater Manchester.

Yet again PGMOL some transparency on how you operate would be warmly welcomed.
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04 January 2017 07:55 Post ID: #591586 - in reply to #591585
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The lack of accountability and complete absence of transparency make the PGMOL one of the worst blights on the game.

This article, although not recent, is a decent perspective ........

http://www.readbutneverred.com/clattenburg-co-living-the-life-of-ri...

The unwillingness of the PGMOL & the FA (and FIFA) to adopt better ways of ensuring that the decisions are correct and that results are not adversely affected by poor decisions in the longer term. The article below was written in the wake of Mark Halsey's revelations back in September about being devised to say that he hadn't seen something in a match report but it goes on to illustrate how the use of video panels in the MLS has improved player behaviour, reduced poor tackles (& therefore risks to players) and the prevalence of simulation.

The resistance to such changes in the PL indicates just how arrogant the PGMOL et al really are.

It’s time for PGMOL and the FA to stop lying

http://7amkickoff.com/index.php/2016/09/06/its-time-for-pgmol-and-t...
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04 January 2017 18:01 Post ID: #591608 - in reply to #587170
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I see Mike Dean's sh*t decision has been overturned.

Not much consolation to West Ham and certainly no use after the event. Cost them the match perhaps.

Sofiane Feghouli: West Ham midfielder's red card rescinded

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38497190
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06 January 2017 07:32 Post ID: #591668 - in reply to #587170
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An excellent take on Henry Winter's recent claim that it is a 'disgrace' that Clattenburg wasn't named in the New Year's Honours List. Some of the best stuff I have read on the subject of referees in ages. The final paragraph sums up the contradiction in Winter's claim. I have a lot of time for Henry but on this occasion I think he has made a mistake.

I hadn't realised Clattenvurg hadn't officiated a Merseyside derby for 5 years after the failure to deal with Dirk Kuyt's two footed aerial challenge. If that isn't reckless and out of control then I don't know what is.

'It's A Disgrace': Henry Winter Has An Incredibly High Opinion Of Mark Clattenburg

https://www.balls.ie/football/celebrity-refs-mike-dean-355722
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06 January 2017 10:15 Post ID: #591676 - in reply to #587170
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Spare a thought for tonight's opponents. They have successfully appealed 4 of the last 5 red cards they received. So essentially the FA have considered the refs involved to be wrong but the damage had already been done as the dismissals affected the outcome of the games involved.

Then there's the Aguero incident that Marriner "didn't see", later dealt with by the FA. If you were a Hammer you'd be pretty pissed off with the treatment you're receiving from refs I'd imagine.
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06 January 2017 10:22 Post ID: #591677 - in reply to #591676
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I didn't know that. Wow. That is a series of poor, game affecting decisions that would hack off the most reasonable fan.

They are in good company and we could form a mutual support club. Any idea when we last successfully appealed a decision?
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06 January 2017 10:28 Post ID: #591678 - in reply to #587170
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We don't do successful appeals mate.
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06 January 2017 10:39 Post ID: #591679 - in reply to #591678
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Thought not. I was surprised they bothered with one for Fernandinho. Talk about a hopeless cause.

I think the cumulative effect of the decisions Pep has seen his team suffer from (Taylor vs Chelsea, Mason vs Burnley etc) that were the cause of the anger that bubbled underneath his BBC tv interview last Monday.

Watching the Spurs v Chelsea game the other evening there were several challenges from Wanyama and Moses which I immediately felt "that would have been either a foul and/or a yellow card had it been Fernandinho or Fernando". Atkinson seemed to allow a lot more leeway that I have witnessed against some of our midfielders.
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06 January 2017 10:47 Post ID: #591680 - in reply to #591679
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Yep, I think it was frustration with the officiating that caused his tetchiness.

There's a pic doing the rounds of Pep approaching Mason, he has his hand clasped around Bravo's face presumably pointing out a mark that was left after Vokes' challenge, he looks absolutely livid.

Did a Google search on successful red card appeals and the most recent I can find is Kompany being successful after surprise, surprise Mike Dean sent him off for a challenge on Wilshire in 2013. The report went on to say that PGMOL were confused by the disciplinary hearing panel's decision.
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06 January 2017 10:48 Post ID: #591681 - in reply to #587170
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Oh and I think we appealed Fernandinho's just to highlight the double standards of PGMOL to the FA.
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