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FFP - the 'zombie' created by UEFA that refuses to die
31 July 2017 11:16 Post ID: #603248
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I am sure the management have this covered but I also suspect that the embedded rag at the heart of UEFA is undoubtedly whispering in the ear of Mr Treverso........

"Man City Back On UEFA FFP Watch List With £220M Summer Spending"

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2017/07/31/Interna...
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31 July 2017 11:18 Post ID: #603249 - in reply to #603248
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Back on? lol. As if we were ever off it.
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31 July 2017 14:16 Post ID: #603255 - in reply to #603248
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I am sure that with Foreign deals the payments are spread over a number of years say the length of the contract was 3 years for each player then that brings the figure down to £70m a year for the lot.

I am sure that even with Walker, we would have said OK we will pay you want you want be we want to spread the payments over the length of the contract. a four year deal is £12.5m

so they will be doing their sums, but they do need to start selling players and that is why the asking price is fairly rigid and why we wanted to sell Harty rather than loan him out.

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31 July 2017 14:58 Post ID: #603258 - in reply to #603248
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So, not a single word in that article (or the original Telegraph one) that says we've actually breached any rules. In fact, how can we have, since our spending this summer forms part of our accounts for the year ending in May 2018, that don't come out until October 2018?
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31 July 2017 15:23 Post ID: #603262 - in reply to #603248
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Bernardo and Ederson were both purchased in the last financial year, on our before May 31st.

Your point still stands though as that will be on 2016/17 accounts which aren't released until October.
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02 September 2017 09:03 Post ID: #605057 - in reply to #603248
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According to a Spanish radio station LFP ( La Liga) have made a complaint to UEFA that we've been flouting FFP.

They tagged us into their complaints about PSG it seems, well all them Arabs are the same.
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02 September 2017 10:22 Post ID: #605058 - in reply to #603248
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I know La Liga kicked up a fuss around the time of the Neymar buy-out, as they're understandably concerned for their TV/Sponsorship deals, as they're based around the 'fact' they had the 3 most marketable players (Neymar/Messi/fake Ronaldo) playing in their league. The loss of Neymar and the potential risk of losing Messi and the other tax evader must be of genuine concern to them. As already mentioned with us though, they have no grounds for complaint (yet) as PSG's accounting year that the Neymar/MBappe's deals fall under still has many months to go, so nobody except PSG will know whether or not they can afford those deals and still comply with FFP.

From our perspective, feeling we could bid for Sanchez and JFE in addition to our existing spend this summer suggests we are not worried about FFP
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03 September 2017 00:03 Post ID: #605061 - in reply to #603248
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FFP will find no fault in the accounts, but will concentrate on fake income, that is sponsors basically owned by the football club owners. This is how they will get us and PSG. The big clubs must be saved from these arabs, how dare they buy Neymar.
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03 September 2017 07:45 Post ID: #605064 - in reply to #603248
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We spent 220.9GBP and sold 89.3GBP net spend = 131.6GBP

Scum spent 150.0GBP and sold 7.2GBP net spend = 142.8GBP

Why are we the subject of investigation???

** sorry should have noted above figures are in millions.
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03 September 2017 09:32 Post ID: #605065 - in reply to #603248
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Barca director Albert Soler had this to say at a press conference:

"it’s reached the stage where one club paid 50 million for a goalkeeper. We’re relieved that UEFA are opening investigations"

It's rather obvious that LFP are working at the behest of Barca.
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03 September 2017 09:57 Post ID: #605066 - in reply to #605061
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johnkelv - 3/9/2017 00:03

FFP will find no fault in the accounts, but will concentrate on fake income, that is sponsors basically owned by the football club owners. This is how they will get us and PSG. The big clubs must be saved from these arabs, how dare they buy Neymar. :008:


How JK, they've already pored over our accounts and we've been under a monitoring period for the past three years, in which time we've seen no further increase in any of the sponsors from the middle east. They've already given us the thumbs up on these deals as they stand, I guess though they're not averse to shifting the goalposts where they see fit.

Can't back this up with any certainty but I've read elsewhere that the revenue we receive from sponsorship deals in the middle east makes up just 8% of our total revenue.
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03 September 2017 17:25 Post ID: #605068 - in reply to #603248
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As we have seen last year with the referendum and the US election (& subsequently) the facts are irrelevant, the truth is irrelevant. If you repeat the lie often enough and loud enough people start to believe it.

So with these claims/allegations - the slur is made and the intent (never admitted) is to damage the club's reputation by continuing to sling mud.

What I would like to know is what does it take for UEFA to be prompted into an 'investigation'? What level of proof are those making these claims required to produce? And if they are shown to be totally bogus what sanctions will anyone face if their allegations are shown to be BS?

I mean can Albert Soler just mouth off at a press conference or send an email ("Hey UEFA, not sure I like club X paying lots of money for a player. Might need checking out") - or do they need to make a statement and be held accountable for their claims?
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03 September 2017 18:27 Post ID: #605070 - in reply to #603248
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The thing is, what are they going to investigate? As already mentioned, this summers spending falls into this years accounts, so who knows how much money PSG or City are going to make before their financial year ends? Not UEFA, and certainly not a Barca director.
FFP has no powers to punish in advance
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03 September 2017 19:38 Post ID: #605073 - in reply to #603248
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Exactly. There is no substance to the claims, no valid basis and yet the smear is made and the suspicion laid in people's minds that the fees paid by City are improper, inappropriate, in breach of the rules etc and give these nasty usurpers and unfair advantage in the marketplace. He should be asked to front up evidence and called out on the hypocrisy of the fees Barcelona have shelled out.
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04 September 2017 00:49 Post ID: #605085 - in reply to #603248
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The untouchables have been disturbed, and now they have to make everyone pay for daring to knock them off their perch. They sound like whiny little girls.
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04 September 2017 12:12 Post ID: #605091 - in reply to #605065
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Bluedub - 3/9/2017 09:32

Barca director Albert Soler had this to say at a press conference:

"it’s reached the stage where one club paid 50 million for a goalkeeper. We’re relieved that UEFA are opening investigations"

It's rather obvious that LFP are working at the behest of Barca.


I think that when they started this ball rolling, we were not making that much money and it is based on what you bring in and whilst at the start we struggled but our income now has risen substantially and FFP is unlikely to touch us, someone is grasping at straws and I think they should be looking more closely at those clubs who have large debts rather than a Club that has none.
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04 September 2017 12:14 Post ID: #605092 - in reply to #605066
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Bluedub - 3/9/2017 09:57

johnkelv - 3/9/2017 00:03

FFP will find no fault in the accounts, but will concentrate on fake income, that is sponsors basically owned by the football club owners. This is how they will get us and PSG. The big clubs must be saved from these arabs, how dare they buy Neymar. :008:


How JK, they've already pored over our accounts and we've been under a monitoring period for the past three years, in which time we've seen no further increase in any of the sponsors from the middle east. They've already given us the thumbs up on these deals as they stand, I guess though they're not averse to shifting the goalposts where they see fit.

Can't back this up with any certainty but I've read elsewhere that the revenue we receive from sponsorship deals in the middle east makes up just 8% of our total revenue.

Hope you are correct Blue, but once a witch hunt starts a witch has to be found, buying Neymar was too much for the establishment me thinks.
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