Manchester City Forum - Walker
Vital Football

Latest Manchester City News

Welcome to the Man City Fans Forum

Vital Football on FacebookVital Football on TwitterVital Football via RSS Feed
Not logged in.
( Login | register | forgotten password )
Random quote: Dear life, when I said "can this day get any worse" it was a rhetorical question, not a challenge.
- (Added by: Tudor)
Current Poll (see more polls)
Your Favourite Goal From The Napoli Nailbiter?
Suggested By: Shaun Gloater
Sterling 9'100%
Jesus 13'0%
The Vital Football Members League
Vital Members League Table
RankNamePoints
1.Johnny Baguette228
2.Buzz Lightyear170
3.Skoorb161
4.Rising107
5.BamaEngineer100
6.Bluedub89
7.johnkelv67
8.kennyclementstache40
9.Colin Is The King38
10.OziMan33
Vital Football Comment
Breaking League News
Jump to forum:
Pages (3): 1
2
3
Walker
23 August 2017 12:04 Post ID: #604458 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
This seems to sum up the situation perfectly. Nice to know that we are not being paranoid.

Basically says the FA have no bottle whatsoever.

It seems they will only refer incidents where there has been a "clear case of no contact". If they are going to call out Aguero for exaggeration I fail to see why Baines's reaction to Walker's challenge which earned him his first yellow card is not also referenced. The contact there was minimal but he seems to be facing no approbation for his exaggerated reaction.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/22/calvert-lewin-sergi...

"Calvert-Lewin controversy highlights problem with new simulation clampdown"

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/aug/23/calvert-lewin-...
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
23 August 2017 12:12 Post ID: #604459 - in reply to #604385
5000500050005000200010005001001001002525
Whilst Aguero did overreact, at least he held the part of his body where the contact was actually made.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
23 August 2017 12:34 Post ID: #604462 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
That is a sound point
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
23 August 2017 12:47 Post ID: #604463 - in reply to #604385
500050001000
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the FA have set up a panel to review incidents, but ONLY where the FA decide they want them reviewed.
How many incidents happen in a weekend of football where either a penalty is awarded, or a red card is handed out? Shirley the panel should review EVERY one of them. If there is no issue with the referees decision, it'll take the panel a matter of minutes to conclude this.
Typical FA incompetence of wanting to be seen to be doing something but being afraid to actually do anything
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
23 August 2017 13:41 Post ID: #604469 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
Classic "Paper Tiger".

Set up with much fanfare and trumpet blasting but will actually make bugger all difference to the real situations which need addressing.

How many times are there ever incidents of diving or any feigned injury where there is "clear evidence of no contact"? That basically means swallow dives where players launch themselves into mid-air à la Ashley Plunge. Thankfully now rare due to the fact that he is no longer getting any minutes on the pitch.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
23 August 2017 13:44 Post ID: #604471 - in reply to #604385
5000500050005000200010005001001001002525
Baines was guilty of one that Young would've been proud of but got away with it because play didn't stop. I think Madley should've gone back and booked him in the next break in play.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
23 August 2017 13:57 Post ID: #604474 - in reply to #604471
5000500050002000100100100100252525
Bluedub - 23/8/2017 13:44

Baines was guilty of one that Young would've been proud of but got away with it because play didn't stop. I think Madley should've gone back and booked him in the next break in play.
Indeed.

This is something the referees seem to be downright dreadful at and which there is no excuse for. They are mic'ed up, they may way play on and be waiting for a stoppage in play to issue a caution so why can't they speak to their colleague on the touchline, ask him to "make a note - when play stops - caution for Baines for unsporting behaviour after that incident on the touchline". Hey Presto. Justice is done and not avoided simply because the circumstances of the game did not allow for the correct action to be taken.

There have been numerous occasions when players like Silva are fouled but managed to stay on their feet and play on but because the ball doesn't go out of play the perpetrator is not penalised and is able to continue to act with impunity.

We are so far behind the times in the way the game is managed it beggars belief.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 07:39 Post ID: #604598 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
This sums up exactly what has been bugging me about Walker's dismissal last Monday- what exactly was he given the second yellow card for?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news...

If Madley thought Walker had elbowed Calvert-Lewin after his theatrical clutching of his face and flinging himself to the floor then surely it should have merited a straight red card for violent conduct an offence which could have been appealed.

If he thought the incident merited only a yellow card - what was the offence? We will never know as the FA disciplinary site does not publish details - the likelihood is that it will be covered by a catch all 'unsporting behaviour' etc. What drives me crazy about this especially is how the official's are so lax in punishing the stuff like delaying the restart by failing to retreat from free kicks. Happens all the time. Never gets dealt with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouls_and_misconduct_(association_football)
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 07:51 Post ID: #604599 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
What makes it worse is that I have watched his challenge on Baines several times now. I do not think there was any contact whatsoever and yet Baines has come in for zero criticism unlike Agüero who was caught by Scheiderlin but who has been accused of overreacting. WTF?

Baines is English. So is Calvert-Lewin. Neither have been seriously called out for their behaviour. Agüero....he's one of those sneaky foreign types. You know. The ones bringing all their sly diving and cheating into the game......
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 07:55 Post ID: #604600 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
Actually the more I look back at the incidents the I get so I think I need to take a chill pill and put the kettle on.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 08:07 Post ID: #604601 - in reply to #604385
5000500050005000200010005001001001002525
There was slight contact between heel and toe I think Skoorb but there's absolutely no intent. Walker was trying to block Baines clearance rather than trying to win the ball. If Madley had ever played the game he'd know that.

I've asked Stuart Brennan on Twitter if he could ask PGMOL for an explanation on Walker's second yellow. PGMOL want respect, they're not going to get it if they let this type of thing carry on without some sort of clarification these types of baffling decisions.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 09:42 Post ID: #604602 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
It will be interesting to see what response he gets from them - is any.

Apologies for the link above - it was copied correctly but directs you to a strange opage. You can get to the Wikipedia entry by follwing a link in that page tough so I have left it.

The FA page is here -

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/fo...

There is enough leeway in there for the awarding of a free kick for sure but I am baffled by the grounds under which the decision was made to issue a caution and can only presume Madley would be relying upon the definition of 'reckless behaviour' -

"Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned"

But as you say because they operate in a world shrouded in mystery and veiled behind a refusal to engage in any open dialogue about their decisions (and mistakes) it will be impossible to progress. That other sports are so far advanced in this area it beggars belief. Rugby is a classic example in their use of video technology & the open and clear support of an off the field official where the conversation is heard by everyone. There is no hiding place, no cozy, undisclosed conversations between the fourth official and the referee, everything is crystal clear. There is some belief (Gary Neville certainly mentioned this) that Michael Oliver as the fourth official on Monday played a part in the decision. Either way I am not a believed in the theory put forward in the MEN that Madley has been 'punished'.

The only punishment has been handed to Kyle Walker and Manchester City FC.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 11:24 Post ID: #604612 - in reply to #604385
Chief Forum Editor
5000500050005000500050002000500100100100100
The FA should bring in a rule whereby, the second yellow (ie a red card) a Club should be given the chance to appeal.

I take your point about what incidents should be reviewed - but the punishment should be harsh and innovative ie award a goal against the offending Players team and retrospective results of that penalty goal award.

The decision of course would have to be as a result of 100% corroboration as any doubt should always fall on the decision to dismiss the appeal.

The outcome would almost certainly stop diving(cheating)





Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 12:32 Post ID: #604624 - in reply to #604385
500050001000
The shame is, they already brought in the rule to stop this. They've just fudged the implementation
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 13:34 Post ID: #604628 - in reply to #604385
Chief Forum Editor
5000500050005000500050002000500100100100100
They don't have the balls, but the media would be wary to highlight any misdeeds committed by the nations(perceived) favourite Clubs
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 15:32 Post ID: #604629 - in reply to #604385
5000500050002000100100100100252525
Off topic but it bemused me how quickly the commentator on Monday reverted to the same old 'themes' about City - it's like they are on tramlines and refuse to switch direction. Firstly there was the "could the keeper have done more" despite the mitigating factors [outlined elsewhere by me so I won't go over the same ground] and "there are questions whether Jesus and Aguero can play together" It just grinds my gears that they seem to have some stock plans 'these are the recurring themes. Weave them in whenever you get the chance' policy and refuse to change the record.
Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
25 August 2017 15:42 Post ID: #604631 - in reply to #604629
Ace City Poster
5000

Similarly in the media, Sky have an article comparing the relative costs of our squad and Bournemouth's!! It's the same old, same old regurgitation whenever we play one of the smaller clubs.


Like post
Like this post
0
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Pages (3): 1
2
3
Jump to forum: